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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by MadAce » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:10 pm

SiN wrote: Same goes for MadAce in order for most of you to actually argue with MadAce, you would have to do some legitimate research and improve your vocabularies immensely at which point the argument would no longer be an argument, it would be an actual Educated Discussion. The result would still likely feel you're banging your head against a brick wall because he's far more experienced than most people at discussing/debating based on the quality of his posts.
Yea, but informed people tend to agree with me. So, no discussion at all.


Also, pretty apt analysis overall.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:17 am

Mel'Kaven wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:
SiN wrote:Hats off to JR and MadAce for continuing to irritate people on this forum, you think they'd have learned by now.
who the Hell are you?
Love how JR doesn't know anyone beyond his skill range, lawl.
Yes, he is too far below my skill level to know :o

On a more serious note, I don't know this guy at all because he never posts, then he just attacks - classic troll.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JuliusCaesar » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:57 pm

You clearly don't know what a troll is.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:10 pm

JuliusCaesar wrote:You clearly don't know what a troll is.
apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:26 pm

JesusRocks765 wrote:
JuliusCaesar wrote:You clearly don't know what a troll is.
apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself.

Oh! so you agree that you do not know what a troll is yet you call everyone it. Pathetic bro.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:01 am

Mel'Kaven wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:
JuliusCaesar wrote:You clearly don't know what a troll is.
apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself.

Oh! so you agree that you do not know what a troll is yet you call everyone it. Pathetic bro.
I do know what a troll is and I dont call everyone it.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:17 am

JesusRocks765 wrote:
Mel'Kaven wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:
apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself.

Oh! so you agree that you do not know what a troll is yet you call everyone it. Pathetic bro.
I do know what a troll is and I dont call everyone it.
Jesus, Julius suggested that you didn't know what a troll was and you said "apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself." which implies that you dont know.

I cant believe you think yourself so strong as to instigate arguments all over the place forums if you cant even understand what YOU'RE saying?

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:25 pm

Mel'Kaven wrote:Jesus, Julius suggested that you didn't know what a troll was and you said "apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself." which implies that you dont know.

I cant believe you think yourself so strong as to instigate arguments all over the place forums if you cant even understand what YOU'RE saying?
I actually do clearly know what a troll is. The fact that JC has a more diverse internet vocabulary does not mean that I don't have any. So stop making up BBQ and spamming it here k?

communists... :roll:

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JuliusCaesar » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:49 am

JesusRocks765 wrote:
Mel'Kaven wrote:Jesus, Julius suggested that you didn't know what a troll was and you said "apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself." which implies that you dont know.

I cant believe you think yourself so strong as to instigate arguments all over the place forums if you cant even understand what YOU'RE saying?
I actually do clearly know what a troll is. The fact that JC has a more diverse internet vocabulary does not mean that I don't have any. So stop making up BBQ and spamming it here k?

communists... :roll:
b*tch; can you read?

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:14 am

JesusRocks765 wrote:
Mel'Kaven wrote:Jesus, Julius suggested that you didn't know what a troll was and you said "apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself." which implies that you dont know.

I cant believe you think yourself so strong as to instigate arguments all over the place forums if you cant even understand what YOU'RE saying?
I actually do clearly know what a troll is. The fact that JC has a more diverse internet vocabulary does not mean that I don't have any. So stop making up BBQ and spamming it here k?

communists... :roll:
Why excuse me for your failure implications.

I'm a spammer? Lol, how Ironic coming out of your mouth.

Also, do not attempt to insult me by stating my economic affiliation, its really pathetic.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:02 am

JuliusCaesar wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:
Mel'Kaven wrote:Jesus, Julius suggested that you didn't know what a troll was and you said "apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself." which implies that you dont know.

I cant believe you think yourself so strong as to instigate arguments all over the place forums if you cant even understand what YOU'RE saying?
I actually do clearly know what a troll is. The fact that JC has a more diverse internet vocabulary does not mean that I don't have any. So stop making up BBQ and spamming it here k?

communists... :roll:
b*tch; can you read?
you make no sense as usual, stay out of this crap.
Mel'Kaven wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:
Mel'Kaven wrote:Jesus, Julius suggested that you didn't know what a troll was and you said "apparently I am not such a Child of the internet as yourself." which implies that you dont know.

I cant believe you think yourself so strong as to instigate arguments all over the place forums if you cant even understand what YOU'RE saying?
I actually do clearly know what a troll is. The fact that JC has a more diverse internet vocabulary does not mean that I don't have any. So stop making up BBQ and spamming it here k?

communists... :roll:
Why excuse me for your failure implications.

I'm a spammer? Lol, how Ironic coming out of your mouth.

Also, do not attempt to insult me by stating my economic affiliation, its really pathetic.
Ah, so ignore the point? Let me just put the point then without the usual insults:

You assumed wrong when you thought I didn't know what a troll was.

Hope that clears it up for you.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:27 am

JesusRocks765 wrote: Ah, so ignore the point? Let me just put the point then without the usual insults:

You assumed wrong when you thought I didn't know what a troll was.

Hope that clears it up for you.
No, this is the point that you have failed to receive after I have suggested it to you, twice:

Perhaps if you didn't have the mind of a toddler people MIGHT attempt to understand you and give you some respectful criticism. Its not our fault you're an idiot plaguing our forums, but it is your fault for making it seem that way.

On another note, do not speak against communism unless you've read some proper literature on the subject. Well over half of the people that think of it to be evil has no idea what they are talking about. Given your most recent outburst against it, I have deemed you are not worthy enough to deserve my input on the subject. I'll accept your ignorance and move on.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:31 pm

Mel'Kaven wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote: Ah, so ignore the point? Let me just put the point then without the usual insults:

You assumed wrong when you thought I didn't know what a troll was.

Hope that clears it up for you.
No, this is the point that you have failed to receive after I have suggested it to you, twice:

Perhaps if you didn't have the mind of a toddler people MIGHT attempt to understand you and give you some respectful criticism. Its not our fault you're an idiot plaguing our forums, but it is your fault for making it seem that way.

On another note, do not speak against communism unless you've read some proper literature on the subject. Well over half of the people that think of it to be evil has no idea what they are talking about. Given your most recent outburst against it, I have deemed you are not worthy enough to deserve my input on the subject. I'll accept your ignorance and move on.
alright, you finally admitted you didn't understand me and sprinkled in some intelligence-insulting statement about how you hate me and BBQ.

Now about literature on communism: It's great accomplishments are limited to literature alone - all it does irl is remove individuality and force crap onto ppl.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JuliusCaesar » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:20 am

JesusRocks765 wrote:It's great accomplishments are limited to literature alone - all it does irl is remove individuality and force crap onto ppl.
mmmmmmmm irony.

You don't know the first thing about what communism is, don't change the subject and stop commenting on BBQ you know nothing about.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:39 am

JuliusCaesar wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:It's great accomplishments are limited to literature alone - all it does irl is remove individuality and force crap onto ppl.
mmmmmmmm irony.

You don't know the first thing about what communism is, don't change the subject and stop commenting on BBQ you know nothing about.
lol not Ironic at all, if you are alluding to Christianity as usual - Christianity niether forces anything nor forces people to conform.

Apparently you have less knowledge on Christianity then I do on communism.

Now what IS Ironic is how this was an argument between me and Melkaven, and now you hop in and tell me to not hop into arguments right as you do it.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:06 am

JesusRocks765 wrote: Now what IS Ironic is how this was an argument between me and Melkaven, and now you hop in and tell me to not hop into arguments right as you do it.
Perhaps I shall make this line more clear:
Mel'Kaven wrote: On another note, do not speak against communism unless you've read some proper literature on the subject. Well over half of the people that think of it to be evil has no idea what they are talking about. Given your most recent outburst against it, I have deemed you are not worthy enough to deserve my input on the subject. I'll accept your ignorance and move on.
We're not arguing.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JuliusCaesar » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:13 am

oh no get in all the "arguments" (lol mel) you like, I can't stop you. It is just fun watching you spin your wheels as you say stupider and stupider BBQ.

And I wasn't alluding to christianity, only your interpretation of it. "Great" literature and forcing your beliefs on other people :lol:

And I have more than enough knowledge on christianity to reject it, even to ridicule it a little (differently from ridiculing YOU, please note). There isn't any proof. Not a single shred of it beyond a circular-logic-dependent bible, and some nutjob testimonies (sure you saw a burning bush, sure your AIDS was cured by god, sure jesus visited you in your french toast). I know much beyond that, I just don't really need it, and some people who DO read and understand and question it actually end up dropping religion due to their advanced knowledge of all the contradiction, cruelty, illogic, and so forth in the bible. I am lucky I wasn't forced into it when I was younger, otherwise I wouldn't be so fortunately objective. Though, even if I was, I was a terribly lazy child :mrgreen: probably would have questioned it and removing myself from it after wondering exactly why I spend so much time praying, fasting, w/e.

In reality, you don't need to know a thing about christianity itself to reject it, only the "proof" it offers.

But communism is a form of government, politics is a soft social science; not a manual on creation and the afterlife. Communism, and other government/political systems have treasties, manifestos, libraries written on them and put into historical and case-study perspective. To understand its proper application you have to read up on Engels, Marx, Lenin, or whomever else took the theory up. And before you start accusing me of being a communist, I am not. Socialism sure, only way I can see communism working is in a post-scarcity environment, which I doubt will ever happen. Anyhoo, christianity is faith based, communism (or political systems in general really) is based in practical application, the real world, proof and logic. Comparing the two is like comparing engineering skill with a talent for painting.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by nine-breaker » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:31 pm

well said

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:07 am

I am glad that you acknowledge the flaws in communism, but Faith in God is much different from faith in government. (Was that the point you were trying to make?)

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Post by Caia » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:06 am

JesusRocks765 wrote:I am glad that you acknowledge the flaws in communism, but Faith in God is much different from faith in government. (Was that the point you were trying to make?)
Not really. In either case, you get screwed.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:22 am

Caia wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:I am glad that you acknowledge the flaws in communism, but Faith in God is much different from faith in government. (Was that the point you were trying to make?)
Not really. In either case, you get screwed.
No, only if you trust the government.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Bo-Fo-Sho » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:53 am

i love when trolls rage and post in big letters, it makes me laugh at them, trololololol

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Bo-Fo-Sho wrote:i love when trolls rage and post in big letters, it makes me laugh at them, trololololol
'lol, you mean melkaven?

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Post by M2-Destroyer » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:56 pm

JesusRocks765 wrote:
You assumed wrong when you thought I didn't know what a troll was.

Hope that clears it up for you.

:roll:
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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:55 am

M2-Destroyer wrote:
JesusRocks765 wrote:
You assumed wrong when you thought I didn't know what a troll was.

Hope that clears it up for you.

:roll:
:roll:
But I wasn't reging, just showing it to mel in big letters even he can understand :)

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by avitohol » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:13 am

I'd like to point out that the concept of communism here is clearly not understood. My advice is to read some Marx and hug off Engels. Then compare it the socialist experiments we've had, such as Leninist centralization and Maoism. If you need to read three pieces of foundation work concerning the foundation of modern politics. Check out:

John Locke, Two treatises of government - Father of modern Liberalism and the guy Benjamin Franklin brutally ripped off.

Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan - Kinda a weird piece of literature, but since conservatism isn't really a politically idea than a group of emotions.

Karl Marx - Loads - However you need to read some Friedrich Hegel to truly understand the notion of the Dialectic.

That should be a start, and it won't make you look like an idiot when you are quoting from Wikipedia.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Caia » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:29 am

avitohol wrote:I'd like to point out that the concept of communism here is clearly not understood. My advice is to read some Marx and hug off Engels. Then compare it the socialist experiments we've had, such as Leninist centralization and Maoism. If you need to read three pieces of foundation work concerning the foundation of modern politics. Check out:

John Locke, Two treatises of government - Father of modern Liberalism and the guy Benjamin Franklin brutally ripped off.

Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan - Kinda a weird piece of literature, but since conservatism isn't really a politically idea than a group of emotions.

Karl Marx - Loads - However you need to read some Friedrich Hegel to truly understand the notion of the Dialectic.

That should be a start, and it won't make you look like an idiot when you are quoting from Wikipedia.
You're spot on when you say read Marx and ignore Engels. However, its very important to remember both Lenin and Mao missed the mark on what Marx meant by miles.

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