Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by 0zzy » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:01 am

Why do people always have to mix religion and rationalisation up.

Religion is at home, it stays at home, never leaves the front door.

The moment you walk out the door, you become a blood thirsty monster.

Jesus, I genuinely dont understand something about christianity... How did God knock up virgin mary and produce a kid who was easily killed by some jews?

You'd think someone who could stay virgin after being shagged could produce something a 'lil special :roll:

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by avitohol » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:49 am

Caia wrote:
avitohol wrote:I'd like to point out that the concept of communism here is clearly not understood. My advice is to read some Marx and hug off Engels. Then compare it the socialist experiments we've had, such as Leninist centralization and Maoism. If you need to read three pieces of foundation work concerning the foundation of modern politics. Check out:

John Locke, Two treatises of government - Father of modern Liberalism and the guy Benjamin Franklin brutally ripped off.

Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan - Kinda a weird piece of literature, but since conservatism isn't really a politically idea than a group of emotions.

Karl Marx - Loads - However you need to read some Friedrich Hegel to truly understand the notion of the Dialectic.

That should be a start, and it won't make you look like an idiot when you are quoting from Wikipedia.
You're spot on when you say read Marx and ignore Engels. However, its very important to remember both Lenin and Mao missed the mark on what Marx meant by miles.
Kinda said this in another post lol. But yeah people make the mistake between communism and the socialist experiments we've had up until now.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:45 am

0zzy wrote:Why do people always have to mix religion and rationalisation up.

Religion is at home, it stays at home, never leaves the front door.

There's these amazing things called Churches

The moment you walk out the door, you become a blood thirsty monster.

Jesus, I genuinely dont understand something about christianity... How did God knock up virgin mary and produce a kid who was easily killed by some jews?

Jesus Chose to die so that everyone would have the oppurtunity to go to heaven - unfortunately not everyone takes the oppurtunity

You'd think someone who could stay virgin after being shagged could produce something a 'lil special :roll:

Jesus is amazing, he did miracles, healed the sick, outwitted jewish leaders, and rose from the dead.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Caia » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:24 am

Jesus, I genuinely dont understand something about christianity... How did God knock up virgin mary and produce a kid who was easily killed by some jews?
:shock:

Joseph knocked up Mary. Mary made up the whole thing about virgin birth to avoid being stoned to death. Everyone bought it.

Best scam in history if you ask me.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JuliusCaesar » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:27 am

It gets better when you think about it conceptually. I mean, let's look at a couple things:

God makes female pregnant with himself (Jesus is an extension of himself -> trinity and all that) so that he can sacrifice himself to himself to save people from himself and his punishment. wut?

Or a more original line of thought (was wondering this the other day), if god is omnipotent, then free will is non-existant in any form, which means that suffering as a result of free will, or damnation, or any other "tests" are a completely moot point. In which case

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by avitohol » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:12 pm

Not to troll. But Catholics believe that god exists outside the universe he created and takes no part in its running. Just uses prophets and stuff to guide.

Guess its an over-ride to the omnipotent arguments.

What i want to know is whether this took a whole convention to do :P

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by 0zzy » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:45 pm

JesusRocks765 wrote:
0zzy wrote:Why do people always have to mix religion and rationalisation up.

Religion is at home, it stays at home, never leaves the front door.

There's these amazing things called Churches

The moment you walk out the door, you become a blood thirsty monster.

Jesus, I genuinely dont understand something about christianity... How did God knock up virgin mary and produce a kid who was easily killed by some jews?

Jesus Chose to die so that everyone would have the oppurtunity to go to heaven - unfortunately not everyone takes the oppurtunity

You'd think someone who could stay virgin after being shagged could produce something a 'lil special :roll:

Jesus is amazing, he did miracles, healed the sick, outwitted jewish leaders, and rose from the dead.
Utter bull crap. Means Gods shagged which makes him a man with animal instincts.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:54 am

God sent his son to give people the oppurtunity to get to heaven.
It is very unfortunate that you aren't taking advantage of his greatest gift.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by 0zzy » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:27 pm

Dude... just STFU.

Son? Please...

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:54 am

0zzy wrote:Dude... just STFU.

Son? Please...
It's really sad, your ignorance of factual Biblical texts leads you to deny God?

weren't you muslim? I hope thet all aren't as evil as you.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Caia » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:40 am

JesusRocks765 wrote:
0zzy wrote:Dude... just STFU.

Son? Please...
It's really sad, your ignorance of factual Biblical texts leads you to deny God?

weren't you muslim? I hope thet all aren't as evil as you.
"factual Biblical texts". Sounds a bit like jumbo shrimp and military intelligence.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by JesusRocks765 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:49 pm

Very well, just wait until you die for proof.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:22 am

JuliusCaesar wrote:u]if god is omnipotent, then free will is non-existent in any form[/u]
We can quantitatively determine freewill be this simple equation:

Freewill = instinct + intelligence.

Instinct being the simple needs to exist in life, such as drinking, eating, excreting waste; while intelligence is relative to brain activity, much as Kelvin is relative to kinetic movement.

Take these two examples:
  • In dogs, it is a very small chance that the dog will choose to starve itself as it cannot allow itself to think of how/why it would do such a thing. (Note: this is seen among a large array of creatures)
    In humans, it is likely that sometimes they can choose to starve themselves.
Both species go about instinct, as certain; dogs know that they must eat to survive as do humans, both commence in disposal of waste and both focus to the main purpose of natural selection: reproduction. So let us allow this variable to be a constant. Let us set it to one.

So now we have:

Freewill = 1 + intelligence

Let us make make this the probability of the two examples:

Freewill(h) = 1 + intelligence(h)
Freewill(d) = 1 + intelligence(d)

We can eliminate the constants, leaving:

Freewill(h) = intelligence(h)
Freewill(d) = intelligence(d)


The primary difference of the two is intelligence and how they can choose to reason. This makes sense as humans have evolved for cerebric activities whereas dogs are still focusing on physical traits to better their survival.

Now, we have to set thresholds (probably from arbitrary sampling) to see at which levels can intelligence actually determine when a creature can commence in an activity but if we are to invent a system of actual intellectual measurement we can see that humans have more base intelligence than dogs.

With that knowledge at hand, let us focus back on the equation:

Freewill(h) = intelligence(h)
Freewill(d) = intelligence(d)

intelligence(h) > intelligence(d)

and thus:

Freewill(h) > Freewill(d)

So:

Freewill(h)
Freewill(d)

Humans have a higher probability of doing the task at hand.

This makes sense.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by avitohol » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:22 pm

Don't bring maths into philosophy and theology. It just multiplies the fail effect of this thread.

Studying psychology, you'll find that the most susceptible to religious cults are mathematicians and engineers due to their closed mind thinking. The why they perceive the world is very linear. Drop them something to bite on boom, you got 20k a year from some chump who is 200+ plus on the IQ tests.

And something in philosophy. Intelligence is merely the potential of perception. Wisdom is the Knowledge of perception.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:33 pm

avitohol wrote:Don't bring maths into philosophy and theology. It just multiplies the fail effect of this thread.

Studying psychology, you'll find that the most susceptible to religious cults are mathematicians and engineers due to their closed mind thinking. The why they perceive the world is very linear. Drop them something to bite on boom, you got 20k a year from some chump who is 200+ plus on the IQ tests.

And something in philosophy. Intelligence is merely the potential of perception. Wisdom is the Knowledge of perception.

Math is factual and is never wrong. Anything that is factual must be accepted. If we can quantitatively determine something, then there is no other reason to question it. Everyone should accept that...

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by avitohol » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:35 am

Mel'Kaven wrote:
avitohol wrote:Don't bring maths into philosophy and theology. It just multiplies the fail effect of this thread.

Studying psychology, you'll find that the most susceptible to religious cults are mathematicians and engineers due to their closed mind thinking. The why they perceive the world is very linear. Drop them something to bite on boom, you got 20k a year from some chump who is 200+ plus on the IQ tests.

And something in philosophy. Intelligence is merely the potential of perception. Wisdom is the Knowledge of perception.

Math is factual and is never wrong. Anything that is factual must be accepted. If we can quantitatively determine something, then there is no other reason to question it. Everyone should accept that...
Umm ask a physicist that. At least one in theoretical. They will tell you that we accept laws to create a base to improve on. However those laws are not necessarily 100% correct.

Cept death, that owns all.

But again you make the mistake to bring the logical into the world of illogical. Since 2+2= 5 for me :), Thats how i percieve it. Thereby its the truth. Jesus believes that Jesus is the son of God and that accepting his "love" is the only path to heaven. HE is also correct, to himself and many others in this world. Learn this and you can move on with better clarity of the world around you. Otherwise you and JR seem to be in exactly the same boat.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Mel'Kaven » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:15 pm

avitohol wrote:
Mel'Kaven wrote:
avitohol wrote:Don't bring maths into philosophy and theology. It just multiplies the fail effect of this thread.

Studying psychology, you'll find that the most susceptible to religious cults are mathematicians and engineers due to their closed mind thinking. The why they perceive the world is very linear. Drop them something to bite on boom, you got 20k a year from some chump who is 200+ plus on the IQ tests.

And something in philosophy. Intelligence is merely the potential of perception. Wisdom is the Knowledge of perception.

Math is factual and is never wrong. Anything that is factual must be accepted. If we can quantitatively determine something, then there is no other reason to question it. Everyone should accept that...
Umm ask a physicist that. At least one in theoretical. They will tell you that we accept laws to create a base to improve on. However those laws are not necessarily 100% correct.

Cept death, that owns all.

But again you make the mistake to bring the logical into the world of illogical. Since 2+2= 5 for me :), Thats how i percieve it. Thereby its the truth. Jesus believes that Jesus is the son of God and that accepting his "love" is the only path to heaven. HE is also correct, to himself and many others in this world. Learn this and you can move on with better clarity of the world around you. Otherwise you and JR seem to be in exactly the same boat.
Im sorrry, Ive never even thought to think math is incorrect. Because it never isn't. I will stop talking now.

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Re: Abortion & Christianity (it isn't what you think)

Post by Caia » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:23 am

Math is generally correct (though there is still a lot of fuzziness within set theory -- Damn you Cantor!).

Physics and other so called "hard" sciences put forth a theory. As new information comes in, the theory is adjusted accordingly. We could learn that gravity is completely wrong tomorrow, and then we'd start rebuilding our understanding of it. Very little in physics is taken dogmatically. And what little that is is usually better called philosophy than science.

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