MadAce wrote:I shouldn't have to change my ways just because you're not mature enough to handle knowledge and opinions.
Where was it stated that you have
to change your ways and that i am too immature to absorb said information? My information absorbtion is perfectly fine thank you very much ...
Where it was stated? Right here:
M2-Destroyer wrote:If you dislike what i write so much, then perhaps it would be adequate to avoid a topic with my name on it?
I read everything. Not reading your replies would be changing my ways.
I also never said you couldn't absorb information. I said you're not not mature enough to handle information or your opinions.
MadAce wrote:That's why you "asked" me to write a rant, right? For my perspective?
If you weren't so argumentative you'd realize that.
I had kind of hoped that this was taken as a given. The reason why i asked? Is because its interesting to read, to see the view of someone else from another part of the planet. That whole topic with you and Manganator has me fascinated.
I never contested that.
Let's just note that you simply didn't understand what I meant when I mentioned "perspective", indicated by the fact that you confused "perspective" with "a perspective".
'Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
It's not because you define a point by means of a proverb that the point is proven.
Proverbs can be wrong.
And if you have such an issue with what i say and how i say it, perhaps you should try this thing called leading by example? Tends to work wonders!
-nox- wrote:my apologies, I can be a dick sometimes.
So can I.
Of course we're both just asserting our superiority.
It's not because I choose not to lead by example that the nature or outcome of your actions somehow changes. You are still responsible for what you do and say. My behavior is thoroughly irrelevant when discussing yours.
MadAce wrote:No, it really isn't. Having the capabilities and not using them is one of the wost crimes I can think of.
That honest to god sounded like a compliment you paid me back there MadAce, therefore, you do have the capabilities to be nice and should therefore dust them down and put them to use.
You previously read the MadAce/Manganator thread so you should partially understand my consequentionalist views on morality. Pretending you don't understand my opinion of you does not make you seem withy.
In case you are somehow the victim of some kind of accident and are mentally impaired I will rephrase what I'm trying to say:
I do not consider rating someone's intelligence highly or lowly a compliment or an insult. What determines your worth and to which you are privileged, either compliment or insult, depends on what you do with your capabilities.
My stance does not bode well for you.
MadAce wrote:Opinions can't be wrong? What kind of BS is that? By all means, if I'm spewing crap, correct me.
Opinions can be wrong. Period.
And I don't care who you are. I only care about the validity of your arguments.
Okay - So opinions can be wrong, so hug. If you believe in Santa Claus, who am i to tell you he doesn't exist? Or if you believe in a God, who am i to tell you that he doesn't exist?
Like I said, who you are is irrelevant. Important matters, such as education should be correctly understood by anyone with political power. Correcting my errors is your duty. At least, if you are able to correct them.
What follows is a part where you, M2-Destroyer, are under the distinct impression that I was talking about you. I was, in fact, talking about the current system of education. I couldn't care less about you.
MadAce wrote:These are the things the schooling system should teach, divided into 4 categories (which often overlap):
To gather information:
Most importantly: To teach yourself things. Look up information and train yourself. (1)
To read, and I mean books. (2)
To be inquisitive. Simply to question everything. Even to question everything. The latter is often ignored by many self-declared rebels and progressives. (3)
Art. To learn how people think and communicate. (4)
(1) - The education system already does, or at least the education system i have been through does. For my HND i was asked to compile 4 10,000 word reports on a wide range of subjects, from NetBEUI to the comparison of networking capabilities in WinXP and Win7 - If that information was handed to me on a plate by the lecturer, would there really be any point in writing the reports as most likely, the information would simply be the same as that which was given?
You were stimulated to look things up in university/college. These skills are so basic, so vital, that they should be taught at a much younger age.
BTW, considering the ease with which information is gathered these days I wouldn't be surprised the lecturer DID hand you the information on a platter by simply naming the terms you mentioned.
(2) - I read the Lord of the Rings trilogy and The Hobbit when i was aged 12.
What the hell is the relevance of that? You having read those books at age 12 proves something about the system of education? It doesn't mean crap.
You should see my point about statistics because it would seem you are trying to show a trend based on one, single element of data.
(3) - If i was not taught to do so, would i not agree with everything you say blindly? If so, would we be having this conversation now?
I wasn't necessarily talking about you. Besides, there's a difference between inquisitive and argumentative...
Frankly, considering your mindless acceptance of a broken system I'm not all that impressed by your urge to question things.
(4) - Once again - If this was not taught to at least some degree, i doubt very much this conversation would be taking place.
What the hell does art have to do with this discussion?
MadAce wrote:To judge and process information:
To think. It's an actual skill, logical reasoning. Something that requires a little discipline and knowledge about yourself. (1)
To asses the value of information. In this day and age where all information is everywhere almost instantly, it's more important than ever to understand this. (2)
(1) - I couldn't agree more, this is missed out of a lot of education systems, but i doubt it's any more than just a small over looking.
What the FµCK do you base that assessment on? Tell me, at which point is it taught in school?
(2) - If i didn't assess the value of information and compare it to that of which i have collated over the years, would i be able to agree with you?
I wasn't necessarily talking about you.
Although you did refer to Cracked as a source...
Here's an example, PersonX works at a shopping centre. It has been decided that GroupABC has to be made redundant to make room for GroupDEF. PersonX knows exactly when this information will be made public - at the last moment. However, PersonY also finds out about this and realises that their information is incredibly valuable because if revealed before PersonX, can allow GroupABC to save their jobs or find new ones to continue life as best as possible without unnecessary interruptions.
Okay. One of use is incredibly stupid. What the fµck was the point of your little rant here? What is it supposed to show/prove?
MadAce wrote:After you've just wasted the most inquisitive and intellectually stimulating parts of your life on cramming things in your skull you could've googled?
Indeed, however i think your statement is subject to the assumption that EVERYONE will understand the formats and how to actually use
said information in the correct way. I feel that your statement is invalid because the education system teaches just that - the methods to disect the given information, to extract that which is most vital and put it into a way that is useful for you or for others, either by writing it down in a sentence, or by putting it into a mathematical equation.
Therefore, one may not have learned the majority of information which can be googled (Relevant to any given topic of interest of course), but one will have learned a method in which to extract vital information and put it to use.
You are almost completely mimicking my point. My point is EXACTLY that it's pointless to teach information. It is only useful to to teach how to gather, judge and use it.
And no, the system of education wasn't originally intended to, nor does it efficiently do now, what I am suggesting it should do. It primarily crams stuff in your skull. Maybe, if you're lucky, you will be challenged a bit later on. When you're past your learning prime...
That is my point and you trying to rebuke it by repeating it almost ad verbatim speaks volumes.
As for not everyone being able to understand formats and how to use them: you should really see this:
BTW, speaking of the devil, which education have you enjoyed?