McGrod please share.

[MadAce]

on what? Bush declared war on terrorism

and freed a dictatorship,

and dont give me anything about weapons of mass destruction because there was evidence.

but global warming is a joke, but its not entirely mankinds fault, its called glaciation.

Holy mother of God

So is Mary the mother of God? I honestly don't know.

*MadAce went to Catholic schools for a total of 12 years*

[awmalzo]

on what? Bush declared war on terrorism

and freed a dictatorship,

and dont give me anything about weapons of mass destruction because there was evidence.

but global warming is a joke, but its not entirely mankinds fault, its called glaciation.

Holy mother of God

what? the fact that i hit on 4 topics that democrats like to attack/attack with, and no one has actually denied what i have said?

1)bush declared war on terrorism. If bush and america was nicer to the arabic states in the past then I doubt anything would have happened.and even if bush delcared war on terrorism, the way he did it surely isn't the best way of how to do it.

like osama is a terrorist for americans, similar bush is a terrorist to most arabs countries. [ well eastern countries/muslims]

4) it is a joke? don't think so. hey don't forget the amount of forests peple are killing, the amount of pollution we do and the world population always increasing.also don't forget that more powerful rain = more soil finishes in the sea.

3) lol we don't need evidence we need proof. you can be a 10 year old child from this evidence but i can't proof it. That doesn;t mean your a 10 year old child.

and the funny thing is, they invaded and woot found nothing. nice evidence you had lmao.

2) lol I bet bush would have changed the 8 year maximum term for presidentship if he could

[McGrod]

I've been asked to give a proper McGrod answer to this post (ignoring the interesting bits of bush and the other guy). Unfortunatly I have no idea what the actual question is. I see lots of misinformation and gibberish in which unfortunatly my grod translator has yet been unable to umm translate (the character no longer plays sge and decided to take a bite out of the said translator).

The reference to drugs is an interesting pointer.
A thrid party is introduced to the body and from there it alters certain senses.
For those wanting a 'drug' induced state I would suggest watching apocalypse now and masturbating over the Wagner scene through its entirety.
I would also suggest watching the film Excalibur as above theres some choice moments on youtube to get yourself 'invigorated'.
I would draw the line at watching too much of peewee hurman as this can have devastating consequences on your mentality. (an example of this can be seen in posts written by elly).

At times yes McGrod did lay back and let others do the work due to people saying heres 20 mill to fight with us in this war...and then relying soly on myself to fight it while there inactive corps logged in for a few minutes and logout again quickly. So when hired I generally take my time and only push myself if the corps im working for are starting to lose the war. On newbies well theres been many many different set ups. Sometimes I am just looking for a single pilot to aid another corp but need to know what they can and cant do other times I need a small squad of money getters for a corp or pilot so they can continue there fight. And others its simple corp life in a fighting/building environment.

<---------McGrod is no longer in sge. My other character is quite happy not helping newbies/small corps/the already powerful wanting to stay in power.

[McGrod]

ok! so last one was tame! I get it!

Here's Elly taking her dog for a walk :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suyjwChqjcI

[Havok]

of course there was evidence of wmd's, we sure sold them enough. and im not sure you can "free" people from a dictator that you put into and kept in power by installing and supporting an equally tyrannical system.

its not just about oil either, its also about training the troops that door to door searches/seizure, warrant less arrests, and merciless torture are good so that they will continue these practices when they are ordered to do it at home.

if you believe there is a real threat of terrorism, AND that bush is awesome, then why has he done everything in his power to open the borders instead of securing them?!

white, black, purple, or plaid, obama is CFR scum and will only expand the unconstitutional policies set forward by the previous presidents, NOT repeal them. "time will tell" is right, you can spend 30 minutes online and see what im talking about.

by CFR you mean Council on Foreign Relations I'm assuming

[master3bs]

So is Mary the mother of God? I honestly don't know.

*MadAce went to Catholic schools for a total of 12 years*

Well the Greek term that is translated as "mother of God" literally means "God-bearer." I don't have my source material handy or I'd tell you the verse and the Greek term itself.

[Cheesy]

on what? Bush declared war on terrorism

and freed a dictatorship,

and dont give me anything about weapons of mass destruction because there was evidence.

but global warming is a joke, but its not entirely mankinds fault, its called glaciation.

Holy mother of God

what? the fact that i hit on 4 topics that democrats like to attack/attack with, and no one has actually denied what i have said?

1)bush declared war on terrorism. If bush and america was nicer to the arabic states in the past then I doubt anything would have happened.and even if bush delcared war on terrorism, the way he did it surely isn't the best way of how to do it.

like osama is a terrorist for americans, similar bush is a terrorist to most arabs countries. [ well eastern countries/muslims]

4) it is a joke? don't think so. hey don't forget the amount of forests peple are killing, the amount of pollution we do and the world population always increasing.also don't forget that more powerful rain = more soil finishes in the sea.

3) lol we don't need evidence we need proof. you can be a 10 year old child from this evidence but i can't proof it. That doesn;t mean your a 10 year old child.

and the funny thing is, they invaded and woot found nothing. nice evidence you had lmao.

2) lol I bet bush would have changed the 8 year maximum term for presidentship if he could

first off, you counting is hugged up, 1 4 3 2? lmao

1) perspective is perspective, fact is different. we didnt take down the two tallest buildings in the world filled with civilians by ramming commercial airline jets into them, we didnt even terrorize. we dont torture our own citizens for speaking against the government. by their perspective they've grown up learning propaganda against the US. you can talk about perspective all you want, but its just a twisted up mangled form of reality, and usually quite different.


4) (lol going in your strange order) larger ocean surface area? more carbon dioxide being pulled in, larger population? more farmers, forests being destroyed? every tree destroyed gets replaced by a sapling, which more CO2 will aid in it growing faster and larger. pollution is going down any way, if its not going to be complaints, the creation of global warming worked pretty well at lowering it. now companies have to "go green" if they want customers approval. theres nothing wrong with going green, it has plenty of benefits that are worth it besides CO2 reduction.


3) ok for one what evidence would make you think i am 10? your responses arent quite as well thought out as they could have been you know. and evidence is evidence. its all there was, and lets put it this way for you:

You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

a) blow it off and risk them blowing their neighbors to kingdom come

b)invade and never giving them the chance to wipe a nation off the map, as well as liberating the citizens from an oppressive rule


2) well, probably and i would hope he could have if obama screws stuff up in iraq

i see dead people.....

ill get around to helping you out with your problem later, rocknationhijackednotmedontevenstartimjustdefendingmypointofview

[DionysuZ]

first off, you counting is hugged up, 1 4 3 2? lmao

1) perspective is perspective, fact is different. we didnt take down the two tallest buildings in the world filled with civilians by ramming commercial airline jets into them, we didnt even terrorize. we dont torture our own citizens for speaking against the government.

You don't torture your own citizens (although due to patriot act it's very possible to detain anyone for unknown time without any legal counseling or rights), but you do torture other country's citizens. Abu Graib and Guantanamo Bay for examples. Bush even vetoed against a bill banning waterboarding, a form of torture.

by their perspective they've grown up learning propaganda against the US. you can talk about perspective all you want, but its just a twisted up mangled form of reality, and usually quite different.

It's not all just propaganda. Do you really thinkIt's more the interventionist policy of the U.S. government in muslim countries. You know how many people died in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, how torn apart those countries are now? Bush said he was going to war against terrorism, but instead created more terrorists.

Did you know that the supposed reason behind the 11th september attacks was the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia.

Did you know the CIA funded and trained Osama Bin Laden?

And what about the nice secretary of defense under the Bush regime:

Rumsfeld was the most senior conduit for crucial American military intelligence, hardware and strategic advice to Saddam Hussein in the Iraq - Iran war. You know, when Iraq used WMD on Iran?

4) (lol going in your strange order) larger ocean surface area? more carbon dioxide being pulled in, larger population? more farmers, forests being destroyed? every tree destroyed gets replaced by a sapling, which more CO2 will aid in it growing faster and larger. pollution is going down any way, if its not going to be complaints, the creation of global warming worked pretty well at lowering it. now companies have to "go green" if they want customers approval. theres nothing wrong with going green, it has plenty of benefits that are worth it besides CO2 reduction.

Well, I'd say show some evidence. The earth is proven to be heating up, rapidly, since the industrial revolution. There is a scientific concensus that it's (part) due to human actions. Only a small portion of the scientific group have a different opinion. There is a LOT of information available.

Do you think it's strange I'd rather believe the majority of the scientific population over someone saying stuff on a forum?

3) ok for one what evidence would make you think i am 10? your responses arent quite as well thought out as they could have been you know. and evidence is evidence. its all there was, and lets put it this way for you:

You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

I see the propaganda reached you too. Did you know Sadam Hussein hated terrorists and couldn't stand Osama Bin Laden? He never aided them. Also, evidence? There was some very poor intelligence which made most countries doubt the 'evidence'. and the U.N. weapon inspectors found nothing in iraq.

It was an illegal war, and the U.S. was the agressor. A lot of casualties, both on the U.S. side (also due to lack of good equipment and the gov not providing the troops with it) and the Iraqi side, new terrorist groups pop up daily. The country is divided and down to more than civil unrest. The Bush regime didn't have a good exit strategy and this situation was well known to be the likely outcome with no good plan.

[Cheesy]

only 1 of the points you attacked? and you didnt even make a point really


ok waterboarding can be takin different ways, i personally do not believe it is torture, and i believe a more efficient way of interrogation would be to forcing them to watch low budget commercials for 10 hours but that would be torture,

It's not all just propaganda. Do you really thinkIt's more the interventionist policy of the U.S. government in muslim countries. You know how many people died in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, how torn apart those countries are now? Bush said he was going to war against terrorism, but instead created more terrorists.

American casualties in Iraq-4209
American deaths on D-day, invasion of Normandy- 6603 approx.

the countries are torn apart because the terroists knew they could attack us in Iraq and make life worse for Iraqis their by attacking our forces there.

supposed

yea, real nice response, supposedly we never made it to the moon, and supposedly the holocaust never happened, we know thats not true, also im supposed to be asleep, night night

Did you know the CIA funded and trained Osama Bin Laden?

to fight against the spread of communism in the middle east, yes i did

please what point were you trying to make?
or were you just trying to shoot down one of my points?

[DionysuZ]

to fight against the spread of communism in the middle east, yes i did

please what point were you trying to make?
or were you just trying to shoot down one of my points?

The point i'm trying to make is that a lot of the enemies of the U.S. are created by the U.S. itself by its own foreign policy.

And supposed? What do you think the reason behind the attack is? Just blind, unfounded hate by propaganda?

[Cheesy]

to fight against the spread of communism in the middle east, yes i did

please what point were you trying to make?
or were you just trying to shoot down one of my points?

The point i'm trying to make is that a lot of the enemies of the U.S. are created by the U.S. itself by its own foreign policy.

And supposed? What do you think the reason behind the attack is? Just blind, unfounded hate by propaganda?

isnt that the reason behind most of the suicide bombings? any reason why 9/11 would have to be a different reason? in WWII japanease citizens jumped off cliffs on the invaded japanease pacific islands to avoid american capture, because they were told that the americans brutally tortured japanease civilians. and this was before television...

[Minney]

This is amazing. what started out as a McGrod flame has ended in the Japanese bombing us 60 years ago. Jesus Christ, its a space game! Not only does discussing this here not do a thing, it makes all of you look retarded since you're all too stubborn to even think about seeing the others point of view. Stop while you're ahead and argue something worth while...pointing out the flaws of past leaders of nations or international events is stupid, and your never going to convince someone to see things your way. Go back to flaming Grod, it was a lot more fun to read about.

[MadAce]

on what? Bush declared war on terrorism

and freed a dictatorship,

and dont give me anything about weapons of mass destruction because there was evidence.

but global warming is a joke, but its not entirely mankinds fault, its called glaciation.

Holy mother of God

what? the fact that i hit on 4 topics that democrats like to attack/attack with, and no one has actually denied what i have said?

1)bush declared war on terrorism. If bush and america was nicer to the arabic states in the past then I doubt anything would have happened.and even if bush delcared war on terrorism, the way he did it surely isn't the best way of how to do it.

like osama is a terrorist for americans, similar bush is a terrorist to most arabs countries. [ well eastern countries/muslims]

4) it is a joke? don't think so. hey don't forget the amount of forests peple are killing, the amount of pollution we do and the world population always increasing.also don't forget that more powerful rain = more soil finishes in the sea.

3) lol we don't need evidence we need proof. you can be a 10 year old child from this evidence but i can't proof it. That doesn;t mean your a 10 year old child.

and the funny thing is, they invaded and woot found nothing. nice evidence you had lmao.

2) lol I bet bush would have changed the 8 year maximum term for presidentship if he could

first off, you counting is hugged up, 1 4 3 2? lmao

1) perspective is perspective, fact is different. we didnt take down the two tallest buildings in the world filled with civilians by ramming commercial airline jets into them, we didnt even terrorize. we dont torture our own citizens for speaking against the government. by their perspective they've grown up learning propaganda against the US. you can talk about perspective all you want, but its just a twisted up mangled form of reality, and usually quite different.


4) (lol going in your strange order) larger ocean surface area? more carbon dioxide being pulled in, larger population? more farmers, forests being destroyed? every tree destroyed gets replaced by a sapling, which more CO2 will aid in it growing faster and larger. pollution is going down any way, if its not going to be complaints, the creation of global warming worked pretty well at lowering it. now companies have to "go green" if they want customers approval. theres nothing wrong with going green, it has plenty of benefits that are worth it besides CO2 reduction.


3) ok for one what evidence would make you think i am 10? your responses arent quite as well thought out as they could have been you know. and evidence is evidence. its all there was, and lets put it this way for you:

You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

a) blow it off and risk them blowing their neighbors to kingdom come

b)invade and never giving them the chance to wipe a nation off the map, as well as liberating the citizens from an oppressive rule


2) well, probably and i would hope he could have if obama screws stuff up in iraq

1) The US didn't take down those two buildings (WHICH WERE NOT THE TWO TALLEST IN THE WORLD, fcol).
The US has developed a very effective tactic called "Shock and Awe" and it's the military equivalent of terrorism. Frankly I don't think the US is to blame as terrorism is just awesome (for some stuff, not for being a constructive and worthy human being).
Also, the US is one of the most propaganda effective nations I've ever heard of. North-Korea is a baby compared to the US. Besides, who needs propaganda when people will just DO whatever you tell them?

4) Don't know where to begin. Read up on it. "It" being... err... everything.

2) Saddam Hussein never, ever aided Al-Qaeda (in fact they rather disliked each other). He didn't have any reason to. In a true democracy (you know, those fictious ones where people are innocent until proven otherwise) one would need a "motive" (*whole class: "MOTIVE"*) to sentence someone to death. Saddam nor his regime had any reason to support terrorists.

Here's some conclusions of reputable organisations/commissions/people disproving the notion that Saddam and Al-Qaeda had an operational relationship:

After the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, there were several investigations of possible collaboration between Saddam Hussein and the terrorists who attacked the building. Neil Herman, who headed the FBI investigation into the attack, noted that despite Yasin's presence in Baghdad, there was no evidence of Iraqi support for the attack.

In 1998, Daniel Benjamin, who headed the National Security Council's counterterrorism division, led an exercise aimed at a critical analysis of the CIA's contention that Iraq and al Qaeda would not team up. "This was a red-team effort," he said. "We looked at this as an opportunity to disprove the conventional wisdom, and basically we came to the conclusion that the CIA had this one right." Benjamin later told Boston Globe reporters, "No one disputes that there have been contacts over the years. In that part of the America-hating universe, contacts happen. But that's still a long way from suggesting that they were really working together."

Ten days after the September 11 attacks, President Bush receives a classified President's Daily Brief (that had been prepared at his request) indicating that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that there was "scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda." The PDB writes off the few contacts that existed between Saddam's government and al-Qaeda as attempts to monitor the group rather than attempts to work with them. According to the National Journal, "Much of the contents of the PDB were later incorporated, albeit in a slightly different form, into a lengthier CIA analysis examining not only Al Qaeda's contacts with Iraq, but also Iraq's support for international terrorism." This PDB was one of the documents the Bush Administration refused to turn over to the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq, even on a classified basis, and refuses to discuss other than to acknowledge its existence.

In February 2003, Israeli intelligence sources told the Associated Press that no link has been conclusively established between Saddam and Al Qaeda. According to the AP story, "Boaz Ganor, an Israeli counter-terrorism expert, told the AP he knows of no Iraqi ties to terror groups, beyond Baghdad's relationship with Palestinian militias and possibly Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda.... A senior Israeli security source told the AP that Israel has not yet found evidence of an Iraqi-Palestinian-Al Qaeda triangle, and that several investigations into possible Al Qaeda ties to Palestinian militias have so far not yielded substantial results. Ganor said Al Qaeda has put out feelers to Palestinian groups, but ties are at a very preliminary stage."

In March 2008, a Pentagon-sponsored study was released, entitled Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents, based on the review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the 2003 US invasion. The study "found no 'smoking gun' (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda."

And WHAT evidence?

[awmalzo]

on what? Bush declared war on terrorism

and freed a dictatorship,

and dont give me anything about weapons of mass destruction because there was evidence.

but global warming is a joke, but its not entirely mankinds fault, its called glaciation.

Holy mother of God

what? the fact that i hit on 4 topics that democrats like to attack/attack with, and no one has actually denied what i have said?

1)bush declared war on terrorism. If bush and america was nicer to the arabic states in the past then I doubt anything would have happened.and even if bush delcared war on terrorism, the way he did it surely isn't the best way of how to do it.

like osama is a terrorist for americans, similar bush is a terrorist to most arabs countries. [ well eastern countries/muslims]

4) it is a joke? don't think so. hey don't forget the amount of forests peple are killing, the amount of pollution we do and the world population always increasing.also don't forget that more powerful rain = more soil finishes in the sea.

3) lol we don't need evidence we need proof. you can be a 10 year old child from this evidence but i can't proof it. That doesn;t mean your a 10 year old child.

and the funny thing is, they invaded and woot found nothing. nice evidence you had lmao.

2) lol I bet bush would have changed the 8 year maximum term for presidentship if he could

first off, you counting is hugged up, 1 4 3 2? lmao

1) perspective is perspective, fact is different. we didnt take down the two tallest buildings in the world filled with civilians by ramming commercial airline jets into them, we didnt even terrorize. we dont torture our own citizens for speaking against the government. by their perspective they've grown up learning propaganda against the US. you can talk about perspective all you want, but its just a twisted up mangled form of reality, and usually quite different.


4) (lol going in your strange order) larger ocean surface area? more carbon dioxide being pulled in, larger population? more farmers, forests being destroyed? every tree destroyed gets replaced by a sapling, which more CO2 will aid in it growing faster and larger. pollution is going down any way, if its not going to be complaints, the creation of global warming worked pretty well at lowering it. now companies have to "go green" if they want customers approval. theres nothing wrong with going green, it has plenty of benefits that are worth it besides CO2 reduction.


3) ok for one what evidence would make you think i am 10? your responses arent quite as well thought out as they could have been you know. and evidence is evidence. its all there was, and lets put it this way for you:

You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

a) blow it off and risk them blowing their neighbors to kingdom come

b)invade and never giving them the chance to wipe a nation off the map, as well as liberating the citizens from an oppressive rule


2) well, probably and i would hope he could have if obama screws stuff up in iraq

1) The US didn't take down those two buildings (WHICH WERE NOT THE TWO TALLEST IN THE WORLD, fcol).
The US has developed a very effective tactic called "Shock and Awe" and it's the military equivalent of terrorism. Frankly I don't think the US is to blame as terrorism is just awesome (for some stuff, not for being a constructive and worthy human being).
Also, the US is one of the most propaganda effective nations I've ever heard of. North-Korea is a baby compared to the US. Besides, who needs propaganda when people will just DO whatever you tell them?

4) Don't know where to begin. Read up on it. "It" being... err... everything.

2) Saddam Hussein never, ever aided Al-Qaeda (in fact they rather disliked each other). He didn't have any reason to. In a true democracy (you know, those fictious ones where people are innocent until proven otherwise) one would need a "motive" (*whole class: "MOTIVE"*) to sentence someone to death. Saddam nor his regime had any reason to support terrorists.

Here's some conclusions of reputable organisations/commissions/people disproving the notion that Saddam and Al-Qaeda had an operational relationship:

After the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, there were several investigations of possible collaboration between Saddam Hussein and the terrorists who attacked the building. Neil Herman, who headed the FBI investigation into the attack, noted that despite Yasin's presence in Baghdad, there was no evidence of Iraqi support for the attack.

In 1998, Daniel Benjamin, who headed the National Security Council's counterterrorism division, led an exercise aimed at a critical analysis of the CIA's contention that Iraq and al Qaeda would not team up. "This was a red-team effort," he said. "We looked at this as an opportunity to disprove the conventional wisdom, and basically we came to the conclusion that the CIA had this one right." Benjamin later told Boston Globe reporters, "No one disputes that there have been contacts over the years. In that part of the America-hating universe, contacts happen. But that's still a long way from suggesting that they were really working together."

Ten days after the September 11 attacks, President Bush receives a classified President's Daily Brief (that had been prepared at his request) indicating that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that there was "scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda." The PDB writes off the few contacts that existed between Saddam's government and al-Qaeda as attempts to monitor the group rather than attempts to work with them. According to the National Journal, "Much of the contents of the PDB were later incorporated, albeit in a slightly different form, into a lengthier CIA analysis examining not only Al Qaeda's contacts with Iraq, but also Iraq's support for international terrorism." This PDB was one of the documents the Bush Administration refused to turn over to the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq, even on a classified basis, and refuses to discuss other than to acknowledge its existence.

In February 2003, Israeli intelligence sources told the Associated Press that no link has been conclusively established between Saddam and Al Qaeda. According to the AP story, "Boaz Ganor, an Israeli counter-terrorism expert, told the AP he knows of no Iraqi ties to terror groups, beyond Baghdad's relationship with Palestinian militias and possibly Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda.... A senior Israeli security source told the AP that Israel has not yet found evidence of an Iraqi-Palestinian-Al Qaeda triangle, and that several investigations into possible Al Qaeda ties to Palestinian militias have so far not yielded substantial results. Ganor said Al Qaeda has put out feelers to Palestinian groups, but ties are at a very preliminary stage."

In March 2008, a Pentagon-sponsored study was released, entitled Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents, based on the review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the 2003 US invasion. The study "found no 'smoking gun' (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda."

And WHAT evidence?

I conider madace and einz posts good enough for me not to reply to you, but I need to add a few points.

1) global temperature is increasing. the question is when it will stop increasing? but for me its more important of whats happening now .....

2) the sahara desert is estimated that its growing 1 km per year

3) co2 gas in the athmospher is observed to increase.

4) money capitalist that are ruining the wolrd just for thier profits, pay scientist to get out of thoeries against global warming.

I have an eye to observe. last year we had the hottest and driest january.
2 years ago we had the wettest and rather cold january. 5 years ago we had the hottest july ever.

most hottest years of the world happened in the last 20 years.

[808gage]

omg the worst things to talk about with people you don't know:

religion and politics.


This is a very interesting thread indeed.

[Clone]

wow..

[LarzAluphe]

McGrod



Persona

Likes to pretend to protect the new players of SGE. Has gone as far as calling himself a Police Officer of Starport.
Regularly makes corps on servers and attempts to recruit these new players, in hopes one day they will become better players. What actually happens is he gets a few new players to do everything for him, build, fight, haul his resources, ect. ect.
At one time he used to put himself out “for hire”, to come into a fight or war and turn the tide of the battle. What really happens is he sits in a port all day long and talks to the person that gave him resources to fight with and tells them he is doing all he can to help. Then, after everyone has logged for the night, he creeps out of his port and invades a few easy colonies, jettisons all the colonists and resources, sells all the buildings ( oops, can't do that anymore, one every 4 hours buddy ), and waits for the next day to tell his employer his great deed. “I torched two colonies.”
This i have witnessed personally.

He lives in his own little world, where everyone fears “The Great Severus McGrod ". Where everyone has respect for him because of his infinite skill at playing Starport. He will threaten to "torch your colonies", he tries to protect the new players (we went over this), but really...

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okies didnt want to make new thread and this one is already existing so....
Haggis on permavers is me McGrod.
However where as Haggis on permaverse is a nice chap who does nice things and helps people....McGrod of Frontier Wars is another kettle of fish . The two are so far removed from eahcother in reasoning and outlook that if they were brothers McGrod would be the one they never spoke of and was locked up somewhere for his and everyone elses safety.
Also note McGrod of p2 is a very honourable type of chap and is too quite removed in behaviour as the above two.
Battle Royal McGrod well thats like my holiday resort and hes very piraty when active and thats about it.
So please dont get the chaps confused in there responses and actions. Haggis signing up to him is being part of the brady bunch (just armed with nukes ) Signing up with FW is like swallowing your own teeth. ...yes they are in theory all part of teh same network but how and where you join up is what identifies you so keep that in mind hope that helps with any therapy in future .
Also signing up in forums mail is ok just state sort of chap you are and where you reside.

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Just how many personalities do you have? Are they all doing the same drugs?
As asked before by many people, Will you please share?
Times are rough right now in real life, economy sucks, Obama is president of the United States, so much more is going on and the rest of us really want to escape it like you seem to have.

SHARE!

Who ARE you (this is a new account, lost the old one a little while back)

[Cheesy]

on what? Bush declared war on terrorism

and freed a dictatorship,

and dont give me anything about weapons of mass destruction because there was evidence.

but global warming is a joke, but its not entirely mankinds fault, its called glaciation.

Holy mother of God

what? the fact that i hit on 4 topics that democrats like to attack/attack with, and no one has actually denied what i have said?

1)bush declared war on terrorism. If bush and america was nicer to the arabic states in the past then I doubt anything would have happened.and even if bush delcared war on terrorism, the way he did it surely isn't the best way of how to do it.

like osama is a terrorist for americans, similar bush is a terrorist to most arabs countries. [ well eastern countries/muslims]

4) it is a joke? don't think so. hey don't forget the amount of forests peple are killing, the amount of pollution we do and the world population always increasing.also don't forget that more powerful rain = more soil finishes in the sea.

3) lol we don't need evidence we need proof. you can be a 10 year old child from this evidence but i can't proof it. That doesn;t mean your a 10 year old child.

and the funny thing is, they invaded and woot found nothing. nice evidence you had lmao.

2) lol I bet bush would have changed the 8 year maximum term for presidentship if he could

first off, you counting is hugged up, 1 4 3 2? lmao

1) perspective is perspective, fact is different. we didnt take down the two tallest buildings in the world filled with civilians by ramming commercial airline jets into them, we didnt even terrorize. we dont torture our own citizens for speaking against the government. by their perspective they've grown up learning propaganda against the US. you can talk about perspective all you want, but its just a twisted up mangled form of reality, and usually quite different.


4) (lol going in your strange order) larger ocean surface area? more carbon dioxide being pulled in, larger population? more farmers, forests being destroyed? every tree destroyed gets replaced by a sapling, which more CO2 will aid in it growing faster and larger. pollution is going down any way, if its not going to be complaints, the creation of global warming worked pretty well at lowering it. now companies have to "go green" if they want customers approval. theres nothing wrong with going green, it has plenty of benefits that are worth it besides CO2 reduction.


3) ok for one what evidence would make you think i am 10? your responses arent quite as well thought out as they could have been you know. and evidence is evidence. its all there was, and lets put it this way for you:

You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

a) blow it off and risk them blowing their neighbors to kingdom come

b)invade and never giving them the chance to wipe a nation off the map, as well as liberating the citizens from an oppressive rule


2) well, probably and i would hope he could have if obama screws stuff up in iraq

1) The US didn't take down those two buildings (WHICH WERE NOT THE TWO TALLEST IN THE WORLD, fcol).
The US has developed a very effective tactic called "Shock and Awe" and it's the military equivalent of terrorism. Frankly I don't think the US is to blame as terrorism is just awesome (for some stuff, not for being a constructive and worthy human being).
Also, the US is one of the most propaganda effective nations I've ever heard of. North-Korea is a baby compared to the US. Besides, who needs propaganda when people will just DO whatever you tell them?

lol wow you completely miss read that, reread what i said, i was making a comparison, of course the US didnt take down the twin towers, i was saying they did it to us but we didnt do it to them. as far as propaganda, yes it is, thats why the obama is president and everyone is running around crying about global warming.

4) Don't know where to begin. Read up on it. "It" being... err... everything.

you do that

2) Saddam Hussein never, ever aided Al-Qaeda (in fact they rather disliked each other). He didn't have any reason to. In a true democracy (you know, those fictious ones where people are innocent until proven otherwise) one would need a "motive" (*whole class: "MOTIVE"*) to sentence someone to death. Saddam nor his regime had any reason to support terrorists.

did i once say Al-Qaeda? thats not the only terrorist organization in the middle east, hell they came into Iraq to attack us. war on terror does not just mean war on al quaeda

<more random stuff trying to disprove a point that i never made>
And WHAT evidence?

buildings were being rebuilt over former nuclear facilities, and the shear fact that nearly every nation in the world believed that Iraq had wmds aswell. shall we return to my earlier point?


You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

a) blow it off and risk them blowing their neighbors to kingdom come

b)invade and never giving them the chance to wipe a nation off the map, as well as liberating the citizens from an oppressive rule


now, other nations took the a route, and just looked the other way to a potential attack against israel and iran, but the US made sure that that wouldnt happen.

[Meliza-]

Most US enemies were trained by the US?

We only trained 2 people?!?

I didnt know Osama was "most"


Meliza

[devilwolf]

2 points, then i'm going back to the game.
1. The Quar'an, the islamic bible, calls for the death of ALL non-believers.
So, if you dont believe that mohammad was the last true prophet of
of God, you should die.

2. There have been several ice ages. For there to have been more than
one, that means the earth had to have heated up.

My two cents.

[avitohol]

2 points, then i'm going back to the game.
1. The Quar'an, the islamic bible, calls for the death of ALL non-believers.
So, if you dont believe that mohammad was the last true prophet of
of God, you should die.

2. There have been several ice ages. For there to have been more than
one, that means the earth had to have heated up.

My two cents.

wtf have you been smoking, you ever read the Quar'an. I talks about peaceful co-existance between all of god's children. Not just muslims. The idea of jihad that exists now is merely something that come outta being during the 13-15 centuries. Thanks mainly to the christian crusades and rise of the mamuluks. Read some history boy, before you bring out your rascist attitudes.

[DionysuZ]

Most US enemies were trained by the US?

We only trained 2 people?!?

I didnt know Osama was "most"


Meliza

There's a big difference between 'created' and 'trained'.

[MadAce]

lol wow you completely miss read that, reread what i said, i was making a comparison, of course the US didnt take down the twin towers, i was saying they did it to us but we didnt do it to them. as far as propaganda, yes it is, thats why the obama is president and everyone is running around crying about global warming.

Mmmh. My bad. I was trying to explain that Saddam and his regime had nothing to do with 9/11.

4) Don't know where to begin. Read up on it. "It" being... err... everything.

you do that

You're the one saying that the twin towers were the largest in the world...

2) Saddam Hussein never, ever aided Al-Qaeda (in fact they rather disliked each other). He didn't have any reason to. In a true democracy (you know, those fictious ones where people are innocent until proven otherwise) one would need a "motive" (*whole class: "MOTIVE"*) to sentence someone to death. Saddam nor his regime had any reason to support terrorists.

did i once say Al-Qaeda? thats not the only terrorist organization in the middle east, hell they came into Iraq to attack us. war on terror does not just mean war on al quaeda

Okay. I'll take the bait. Which terrorist organization was being supported by Saddam and his regime?

BTW, if you invade a country you usually get bad reactions (geurilla warfare) from the people living there. Weird, init?

<more random stuff trying to disprove a point that i never made>
And WHAT evidence?

buildings were being rebuilt over former nuclear facilities, and the shear fact that nearly every nation in the world believed that Iraq had wmds aswell. shall we return to my earlier point?

Oh really? You're apparently unaware of the fact that on October 6, 2004, the head of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG, appointed by the U.S. Department of Defence), Charles Duelfer, announced to the United States Senate Armed Services Committee that the group found no evidence that Iraq under Saddam Hussein had produced and stockpiled any weapons of mass destruction since 1991, when UN sanctions were imposed.

Then there are the Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents clearly proving the regime had given up on WMD long before 2003.

Not "most countries in the world". There were 48 countries in the coalition of the willing. Of those 49, only four besides the U.S. contributed troops to the invasion force. 33 provided some number of troops to support the occupation after the invasion was complete. Six members have no military.

In December 2008 University of Illinois Professor Scott Althaus reported that he had learned that the White House was editing, and back-dating, revisions to the list of countries in the coalition.

I'd say that's not a substantial support.

You are the leader of the country with the strongest military in the world. a dictatorship in the middle east, with a leader who aids terrorists, such as those who attacked the two largest buildings in the world in your country, has evidence of weapons of mass destruction being built there, here are your options:

In a world where there are mutiple countries with nuclear weapons it's impossible to have "the strongest military".

Which terrorist groups was Saddam aiding? Save for giving money to families of suicide bombers I can't think of any "terorist support" comming from Saddam. Besides, which country in the middle-east ISN'T giving money to those families?

The twin towers weren't the largest buildings...

What evidence for WMD?

now, other nations took the a route, and just looked the other way to a potential attack against israel and iran, but the US made sure that that wouldnt happen.

I wonder how you figured the US would be concerned about Iraq attacking Iran. I think they'd have to fear attacking Iran themselves.

Also, how exactly would Saddam have attacked Israel?

2 points, then i'm going back to the game.
1. The Quar'an, the islamic bible, calls for the death of ALL non-believers.
So, if you dont believe that mohammad was the last true prophet of
of God, you should die.

2. There have been several ice ages. For there to have been more than
one, that means the earth had to have heated up.

My two cents.

1) I yet have to read that part of the Qur'An apparently. I wonder which Tafsir (kind of interpretation) accompanied the version of the Qur'An you read...

2) What's even more amazing is that 65 million years ago, when Earth got struck by a big-ass meteorite the Earth warmed up EVEN MORE! So warming is normal!

[Meliza-]

You guys are leaving out the fact that terrorists attack ALL nations, not just the US.

I can give you one of the darkest terrorists attacks in Russian history, when extremists took a elemantry school hostage.

They killed teachers and children.

Your defending monsters.
----

The US is a propoganda state? Dont blame the goverment. Your constitution, which you hold so dearly too, gives the media the right to say anything they want.

And they do, they lie. Just look at the Daily Globe and Stars.
Dont say "those are just magizines". Becuse telivision based media is the same as written media.


-Meliza


-Meliza

[Moleman]

If ever a topic needed moved here it was this one!

On the global warming discussion, there is a street in London called 'Vine Street'!

Any idea why it was called that?!?

Moleman
(knows but will tell you later )

[BlackNova]

If ever a topic needed moved here it was this one!

On the global warming discussion, there is a street in London called 'Vine Street'!

Any idea why it was called that?!?

Moleman
(knows but will tell you later )

erm, because people are making wine in mass? yum.

[McGrod]

I am very honoured that a topic with my name in it has caused so much controversy and melodrama....I have longed for such a debate and length for publicity purposes and here it is! without even wishing this topic to exist here it is! everybody who ever posted in this topic is like yet another minion bowing to my supremacy and the cries of joy as people awake in the morning to feed upon this debate that seems to be all in honor of myself. I am quite near a state of joy that was once reached by Einz on battle royal when I dedicated a colony to the sacrifice of Grod.
Please continue to post and enjoy the warmth of our communal soul so that you may all worship me in the morning noon and night!

I would continue to grace your minds with my self but I fear too much of a good thing maybe a bad thing.

Oh yeah :

The man with no name walked out of the saloon and found his horse missing, he growled to the crowd"if my horse isnt back within ten minutes, what happend in dodge city is going to happen here!" and walked back into the saloon.
Ten minutes later he came out again and his horse had been returned.
A bystander asked " what happened in Dodge city?"
The man with no name spat and growled "I had to walk home" .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaNogNtT0zA

This was one of my previous incarnations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeFpM2OE ... re=related

[MadAce]

You guys are leaving out the fact that terrorists attack ALL nations, not just the US.

I can give you one of the darkest terrorists attacks in Russian history, when extremists took a elemantry school hostage.

They killed teachers and children.

Your defending monsters.
----

The US is a propoganda state? Dont blame the goverment. Your constitution, which you hold so dearly too, gives the media the right to say anything they want.

And they do, they lie. Just look at the Daily Globe and Stars.
Dont say "those are just magizines". Becuse telivision based media is the same as written media.


-Meliza


-Meliza

Am I defending terrorists? No, I'm not. (yet... Ah, the wonderful but scary world of nuance)

And yes, the US is a victim of propaganda.

[McGrod]

er the word terrorist is getting thrown about a lot.
The hostage situation in the russian school was for a ceasefire due to Russia's advance into chetnya.... long ago at the outbreak of the war other countries including our own and USA said dont do it leave them alone! Russias response was 'We are a nuclear power and you will respect as one' . So we all backed off.

The people killed in the siege had tripped wires as some escaped the wires were there to prevent spetznah etc etc from entering the school.

The other hostage situation on this same subject occured in a cinema/theatre the civilians killed in this one were by spetznah who had used a nerve gas and the hospitals were not given the information required on how to counter its affects.
The general Spetznah way is taking them out = primary.
The general SAS way is take them out and get civilians out or rather more accuratly get the mission done...politicians get in there way and say 'get those hostages out safely' so this becomes a mission objective.
I do not condone any war where civilian population is harmed but good grief marking everyone a terrorist because they are inferior in numbers is hardly making an intelligent argument.

Also Saddam Hussein had a warrant out for Osama bin Laden in the 90's . He was rather anti that chap.

[DionysuZ]

You guys are leaving out the fact that terrorists attack ALL nations, not just the US.

I can give you one of the darkest terrorists attacks in Russian history, when extremists took a elemantry school hostage.

They killed teachers and children.

Your defending monsters.
----

The US is a propoganda state? Dont blame the goverment. Your constitution, which you hold so dearly too, gives the media the right to say anything they want.

And they do, they lie. Just look at the Daily Globe and Stars.
Dont say "those are just magizines". Becuse telivision based media is the same as written media.


-Meliza


-Meliza

You really should learn how to read. Nobody is defending terrorists.