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whats better-100% lasers or some flaks and lasers?

mixture of 5-10%flaks ans 90-95% lasers
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23%
25%flaks and 75%lasers
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13%
50-50%
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3%
75%flaks and 25%lasers
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3%
all flaks
0
No votes
all lasers
23
59%
 
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Post by Tux » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:01 am

Dude, vultures can kill everything on a planet even if it is all lasers...

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Post by Genesis » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:22 am

You just need a good space where you don't get owned by turrets and SC.

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Post by Zach » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:58 pm

Never use mines on a slideable planet. You could be wrapping the slide points more. The only time mines are useful is when there is a long narrow passage that is the only way to get to the dome, and the nearest starport is far away.

Black.Dog

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Post by DarkLStrike » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:39 pm

Zach wrote:Never use mines on a slideable planet. You could be wrapping the slide points more. The only time mines are useful is when there is a long narrow passage that is the only way to get to the dome, and the nearest starport is far away.

Black.Dog
Mine up the planet is better. :wink: save the on planet locations for the lasers.

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Post by Tux » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:41 pm

Hmm, if someone really wants the planet they will get it... but on certain layouts I should think it would cost alot more shields money to go through all the mines you need to, than to go through all the turrets. :twisted:

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Post by DarkLStrike » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:49 pm

Tux wrote:Hmm, if someone really wants the planet they will get it... but on certain layouts I should think it would cost alot more shields money to go through all the mines you need to, than to go through all the turrets. :twisted:
just mine up the space near the friggin planet. This way, they'll need to destroy all the mines before going down there, or test their luck :twisted:

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Post by Tux » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:54 pm

Yeah, it was about 2 million to clean a system if you did it all yourself before the shields patch, imagine doing that now. :shock:

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Post by DarkLStrike » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:56 pm

Tux wrote:Yeah, it was about 2 million to clean a system if you did it all yourself before the shields patch, imagine doing that now. :shock:
yup, i did that to one of my systems :lol:

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Post by andrei901 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:34 am

just one thing-i placed the dome on the colonies i post defences here about: also are flaks good as nuke shileds on this layout? it worked when a person dropnuked me once, he killed a flak, and i had a maxed vulc in system-flak in 12 minutes;)

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Post by DarkLStrike » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:24 am

if you can afford all lasers, then go all lasers. since lasers n flaks got the same amount of hp.

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Post by fc102 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:43 am

If you have enough lasers, go lasers. But if you have to choose where to put flaks/lasers, always put your flaks in the front row since they're less important to lose to dropnukers.

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Post by Tux » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:47 am

fc102 wrote:If you have enough lasers, go lasers. But if you have to choose where to put flaks/lasers, always put your flaks in the front row since they're less important to lose to dropnukers.
I disagree, flaks are easier to drop nuke, so after you kill the flaks the things that do damage are now even easier to kill, the lasers. They will kill all the ones they need to anyway, but if you put the flaks at front you make it easier.

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Post by MastrIan » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:20 am

Definetely go all lasers, anyone who tells you otherwise, is planning to invade you. Good point tux, its always best to put your lasers in front or surrounding the warp ahead of flaks as the lasers have a better chance to inflict some damage.

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Post by Crosseyed » Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:51 am

Tux wrote:I disagree, flaks are easier to drop nuke, so after you kill the flaks the things that do damage are now even easier to kill, the lasers. They will kill all the ones they need to anyway, but if you put the flaks at front you make it easier.
Flaks are "harder" to dropnuke from an economic standpoint: You can produce an insane 150 flaks a day from a prisonvolc and they will STILL take 2 nukes to kill. If you're attempting to suck down enemy nukes, flaks work as well as lazors and are cheaper. The fact that flakpuffs MIGHT confuse someone never hurts, but you really don't tend to die that much while dropnuking, particularly since I hear lazor lag is dead.

Militarily, there are no really noteworthy advantages to flaks that are not entirely offset by their weaknesses, and then some. Flak warfare is purely an economic decision, you use them because you don't have, or don't want to waste, lazors defending something which is essentially nuke fodder.

There's no real way to make a planet untakeable, so a good defense essentially involves maximizing the number of nukes your opponents wil have to fire to take it. Which means you want to minimize the number of turrets that the attackers can slide, grav, or torp, so they have to burn nukes. Naturally, near pirate base worlds are incredibly hard to defend because your opponents can get unlimited nukes.

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Post by Tux » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:24 am

This is for limited supply of turrets though, sure you can plant a ton more flaks than lasers, but we aren't talking about that, we are talking about if you have not enough lasers to totally fill (but still 125 turrets) where you should put what... *sigh* I don't freaking care anymore, let the damn noobs figure it out on their freaking own.

BTW, doesn't matter how many you CAN build in a day. It it is maxed, it is maxed. It will be taken before you can put more down in most cases. Only a few invaders are stupid enough to leave an opportunity for redefending.

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Post by Crosseyed » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:34 am

If you're at the point where how many you can produce to defend with is no longer an issue, from a local standpoint, then you're also at a point where going all lazors is not a problem.

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Post by andrei901 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:38 am

ok, well those planets got taken. they were on the permaverse, but i dont remember locations. i started another 1 person vs. Broken Monkey war, so i had no chance. they started negotiating by putting a layer of 10-15 mines around my planet from every direction, and i didnt have shitloads of funds.

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